Got a 100k what should I buy?

[Qualos]

Originally Posted by LSE3.9

Hi BIGDAVET86 and good post. Yes. Specialist landrover workshops are the go for me and many others anyway. Specialist tools, computer programs etc and knowledge are often needed. Non specialist mechanics can often cause more problems then you went in with. Others throw up their hands at the sight of an electronic Rangie, Disco or Defender and tell you straight out that they can't help. Been there done that but I still own one. Air bag suspension. No trouble to change a faulty/holed bag if you've got one but you need a Landrover computer to reset the system so it works. Had a breakdown recently, 3 closeby [under 200 metres] mechanical workshops declined to help - vehicle taken to an independant workshop 11O kilometres away. Attending road side service mechanic couldn't fix it either. Small fault and one hour later mobile again.

Thanks LSE3.9, that is very honest feedback. It is not that they may/are more likely to break down but if they do that chances of a local mechanic being able to fix them is slim.

A similar example is on our property we own a Case IH CVX 1155 which is a variable transmission tractor made is Austria (Styer). We currently have 6 tractors on our property and is by far the best out the lot but it runs on a Can Bus system and our local dealer can not service it or modify any programing. The nearest is 4 hours away.

[Knx2]

Big D, you just saved me a couple of days mucking around in Perth. Cheers! I'll pop into those boys and see what we can do.

[THE D3]

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Originally Posted by LSE3.9
Hi BIGDAVET86 and good post. Yes. Specialist landrover workshops are the go for me and many others anyway. Specialist tools, computer programs etc and knowledge are often needed. Non specialist mechanics can often cause more problems then you went in with. Others throw up their hands at the sight of an electronic Rangie, Disco or Defender and tell you straight out that they can't help. Been there done that but I still own one. Air bag suspension. No trouble to change a faulty/holed bag if you've got one but you need a Landrover computer to reset the system so it works. Had a breakdown recently, 3 closeby [under 200 metres] mechanical workshops declined to help - vehicle taken to an independant workshop 11O kilometres away. Attending road side service mechanic couldn't fix it either. Small fault and one hour later mobile again.

Thanks LSE3.9, that is very honest feedback. It is not that they may/are more likely to break down but if they do that chances of a local mechanic being able to fix them is slim.

Some good points made, but also forget the brand of vehicle, if you look at many late model vehicles, the local mechanic isn't going to be able to repair it. In many cases even if it is say a Toyota dealership out whoop whoop and something goes wrong with the electronics in the new LC200 or something else, the dealership is going to have to send away for parts or get a specialist in. If you are talking your utilitarian type vehicles ie Defenders/ Troopies etc, again a different kettle of fish. Some people seem to get "older" type 4WD's and late model 4WD's confused, they are different, different requirements, servicing and so forth, and with that can come some inherent different issues. We have quite a few members on our forum who have D3's who run them out Northern WA and wouldnt swap their D3 for quids . As said before Knx2, and for that matter anyone else, no matter what the brand of vehicle, hearsay or a couple of "I heard, or I read" don't count, find out for oneself and speak to those that actually drive the vehicles,

Regards

Stevo

[steelo]

My choice's
4/ - Defender (new), go just about anywhere, huge payload & towing. Money left over for whatever
3/ - Troopy, a proven 4b, parts no problem just about anywhere & money left over for whatever.
2/ - GQ Patrol, as above X2 (aftermarket parts especially) but with a bit more comfort.
1/ - OKA, Your over there (WA) so go have a look/talk to them, lots of variables i.e. cab chassis, dual cab, extra dual cab, tour bus & of course custom.

[Rangier Rover]

Originally Posted by steelo

My choice's
4/ - Defender (new), go just about anywhere, huge payload & towing. Money left over for whatever
3/ - Troopy, a proven 4b, parts no problem just about anywhere & money left over for whatever.
2/ - GU Patrol, as above but with a bit more comfort.
1/ - OKA, Your over there (WA) so go have a look/talk to them, lots of variables i.e. cab chassis, dual cab, extra dual cab, tour bus & of course custom.

I hate to say it.. But got an OKA here and build quality is Sh-t full. Has costed us a heap in down time etc. May be its a lemon. I'm getting rid of it. Looking at an ag spec Mog. Have a mate with OKA and similar isues. Can not recomend. They are like a parts bin special! They are truck like and less reliable. You will be better off with a rice burner, brit or a crouty! (Did some one mention Yank Tank!)
Cheers RR.

[Andy_b]

If I had a 100K, I would buy a Rangie Classic four door. Put in a Toyota 1HD-FTE motor, with the 5 speed auto (Proven motor and box). With a LT230 Transfer Case. I would then but in Maxi-Drive diff locks and axles (Very Very strong drivetrain). You would then re-do the interior, and most importantly the electronics.

This would be way more comfortable then a patrol, plus if I were going to spend 100K on a fourby, I would personnally want something totally different, and Stylish (They still look good) and comfortable.

You could easily do any track in that truck. A Rangie on 31's is the same as a Patrol on 33s

Andy

[dattopimp]

Originally Posted by THE D3

man if they had a Darwin Award for stupid comments, that would have to rate right up there. When ever is any break down in any vehicle a "good time". With the millions of LR's out there, show me the statistics. Anyhoo Knx2, it would be well worth your while at least visiting a dealership and finding out for yourself, the D3/RRS even the new Fender have been winning the best 4WD awards here and Overseas for a reason, but find out for yourself,

Regards

Stevo...Still busting those D3 myths

Eh, everyone has their own opinions which is fair enough. I just watch the D3s get towed in on flatbeds to the dealership across the road everyday and talk to the mechanics that work there. I didn't deny they wern't good offroad, i just said their reliably leaves something to be desired.

And well as for breaking down at the worst possible times...You can break down along the M1 and have racq 1/2 hour away. Or you can break down in the middle of the desert and not have help for 48 hours in 45 degree heat and have a tow bill in the order of thousands of dollars. Not the comment but how it was read.

[Ian Wilkinson]

I just watch the D3s get towed in on flatbeds to the dealership across the road everyday and talk to the mechanics that work there.

I'm sorry to pursue this but that's just rubbish, the Sunshine Coast wouldn't even have enough D3's to have 'them' towed in every day unless you are suggesting the same cars get towed in many many times over which doesn't happen.

I have never seen a single D3 on the back of a tow truck anywhere anytime. One of my customers works for a workshop that specialises in Range Rovers, LandRovers, etc he made comment after seeing my 2003 D2 parked in my yard, we got talking and he says they see very few with issues and feels the D3's are a magic vehicle offering the best of off road and very good on road.

He did say that LR are a mostly hand built car so they see a few little problems but once they have had their first service most issues are sorted, exactly what you would expect from a car built with such a high manual labour component during assembly.

Over the years there has been without doubt more Pajeros on the back of tow trucks thyan any other 4WD I have noticed, but then I guess there's a lot more of them on the road so that would be expected.

[THE D3]

I just watch the D3s get towed in on flatbeds to the dealership across the road everyday and talk to the mechanics that work there

Everyday huh, on the sunshine coast. So you are talking to which mechanics....at the dealer?? Which dealer? Every day, how many a day...Monday to Saturday? You might have to grab the Yellow Pages to find out which dealer. What a load of twoddle,

Regards

Stevo

[Rangier Rover]

Oh dear, it's turned into a bash a landy thread. Do we need to hear this again?

[lowgear]

No contest, buy the 200 td

[Knx2]

Ok Fellas, please just some practical constructive criticism. I need people with experience and practical knowledge of the available vehicles to comment. Or anyone with accessories or after market parts experience to let me know their problems or success . Cheers Fellas you'll save me some dosh and break downs I'm sure.

[boof]

Can we keep it on topic, we dont need another Landy bashing thread so lets not start one

[THE D3]

Ok Fellas, please just some practical constructive criticism. I need people with experience and practical knowledge of the available vehicles to comment. Or anyone with accessories or after market parts experience to let me know their problems or success . Cheers Fellas you'll save me some dosh and break downs I'm sure.

When I bought my D3, after market accessories....what after market accessories. Now you can get pretty much anything, ARB,TJM,OL all have winch/bull bars to suit, Kaymar and another company have rear bar and wheel carriers ( a picture of mine with steel rear bar and carrier), long range tanks, cargo barriers, roof racks, ie alot of the OEM stuff is quite exxy. With the TDV6 you have the choice of 17 or 18inch rims, and now days there are more and more choices for the 18's, hence why I sold my 19's and got the 18's, with the V8 smallest I can go is 18's. Check out either Australian Land Rover Owners as we have a whole section for D3's or DISCO3.CO.UK - Dedicated to Discovery 3 and LR3 Owners and Enthusiasts which has 1000's of members across all continents who have stock and modified D3's. At the end of the day, you have a good range of choice, whether it be LR,Toyota or Nissan, all I will say as you have stated is speak to people who actually drive and use them:

Pics of Rear Bar and wheel carrier




Regards

Stevo

[Chilli]

Originally Posted by THE D3

When I bought my D3, after market accessories....what after market accessories. Now you can get pretty much anything, ARB,TJM,OL all have winch/bull bars to suit, Kaymar and another company have rear bar and wheel carriers ( a picture of mine with steel rear bar and carrier), long range tanks, cargo barriers, roof racks, ie alot of the OEM stuff is quite exxy. With the TDV6 you have the choice of 17 or 18inch rims, and now days there are more and more choices for the 18's, hence why I sold my 19's and got the 18's, with the V8 smallest I can go is 18's. Check out either Australian Land Rover Owners as we have a whole section for D3's or DISCO3.CO.UK - Dedicated to Discovery 3 and LR3 Owners and Enthusiasts which has 1000's of members across all continents who have stock and modified D3's. At the end of the day, you have a good range of choice, whether it be LR,Toyota or Nissan, all I will say as you have stated is speak to people who actually drive and use them:

Pics of Rear Bar and wheel carrier




Regards

Stevo

Awesome second that!

[BigJon]

I agree with some others that a Discovery 3 TDV6 would be the way to go. Either SE or HSE, depending on how much luxury you want. I also believe that at some stage this year there will be an engine size increase to 3 litres (from 2.7 litres).

As far as reliability goes, I work at a Dealer and off the top of my head I can recall one being towed in on a flatbed truck after a coolant loss issue (hose clamp on one hose had chafed the adjacent one). We had it going again within two hours.

We see plenty of them here, both ones we have sold and tourist vehicles. Some now with over 100 000km on the clock and no major issues.

Something to keep in mind with any modern (think common rail) turbo diesel is that clean fuel is critical. It doesn't take much dirt, petrol , etc, getting past the filter to do major (expensive) damage.

[Knx2]

Thanks for the input Big Jon.

[dattopimp]

I wasn't bashing landrovers. As for the dealership? It's Pacific Rover along sugar road. Don't believe me? YOU go look in the yellow pages. I wasn't lookin for a forum fight, just offering input which was asked for.

Best of luck with the car mate. Whatever you buy.

[Knx2]

Thanks Dattopimp, I can't wait. It's been 12 months since I've was tar locked. I can't explain what it's like as an angler not being able to just drive up this dirt track near my place with fishing paradise at the end. Instead having to jetty bash. 12 months ago I had to part with my Navara Turbo diesel that took me all through the Kimberley never skipping a beat. But now I can get a bigger better one Yeeha.

The attached picture shows you a sample of whats down the road.

[boobook]

Originally Posted by THE D3

man if they had a Darwin Award for stupid comments, that would have to rate right up there. When ever is any break down in any vehicle a "good time". With the millions of LR's out there, show me the statistics. Anyhoo Knx2, it would be well worth your while at least visiting a dealership and finding out for yourself, the D3/RRS even the new Fender have been winning the best 4WD awards here and Overseas for a reason, but find out for yourself,

Regards

Stevo...Still busting those D3 myths

You asked for it

Survey 1
http://www.whatcar.com/NonCar/13105544635.jpg

Claims per 100 vehicles
Toyota (3rd) 12.9 Reliability rating 5 stars
Nissan (4th) 13.3 Reliability rating 5 stars
Landrover (last) 45.4 Reliability rating 1 star

Survey 2
Caradvice.com.au
Top 10 Reliable Brands &raquo Australian Car Advice | News Blog

Faults per 100 vehicles
Toyota (3rd) 15.78
Nissan (7th) 18.86
Landrover (second last) 44.21

Survey 3
MSN Cars advice
Consumer Reports Article - MSN Autos

"
Our 2006 Annual Car Reliability Survey, the largest of its kind, gathered responses on about 1.3 million vehicles from Consumer Reports and ConsumerReports.org subscribers. These results underpin the most comprehensive reliability data you will find anywhere. "

Most reliable
LARGE SUVS: Toyota Land Cruiser
Least Reliable
MIDSIZED SUVS: Mercedes-Benz M-Class*, Land Rover LR3 (V8),

See a Pattern emerging, nearly 1 in 2 Landrovers has a fault.

I wasnt going to chirp in, but with the challlenge to show the statistics, there it is, and there are lots more. I could not find one that was reversed or even close. As many have said on this forum, if you havent owned a LR then you aren't qualified to comment. Well guess what, these are surveys of OWNERS.